A call to stop anarchist in-fighting and conflict.

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so yea why
im my self am 18 and i see people from 15 to 17 liking communist ideas witch for my self are absurd

im Egoist Anarchist

Hello,

1) Because at your age, unless you were born with a silver spoon, your finances are dismal and job prospects are not great and you are more idealistic and identify with the poorer people. However when you finish your education and these running dog lackeys give you a great job, house, fancy car, condo in the south seas and never let you leave your home, pretty wife and kids without your Amex, you quickly start changing your tune.

2) Many young people do not take the time to speak with people who had lived under communist regimes to weigh the pros and cons.

Cheers,

Michael Kelly

is being an anarchist punk the same as a communist punk?

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This is a accurate description of what communism/ capitalism really is.

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Hello all,

Just a brief question for you: if I mention the word "Marxism" what is the first thought that comes into your head?

I ask that question because whenever I read peoples criticism of Marxism they are quite often based on a misunderstanding of Karl Marx’s concept of economic equality. Karl Marx DID say that all people should be regarded equal in a sociopolitical way – in other words, all people should be regarded as equal in the eyes of society. He thought society should be a collaborative system in which it operated in such a way as to benefit all people based on shared work. But his ideas did not involve the concept of everybody being "paid the same" irrespective of the job they do.

In regards to economic-equality (wages in particular) he actually did not believe that everybody should be paid the same – i.e. a doctor and a cleaner receiving equal wages. Instead he saw the first step toward his ‘collaborative system’ (communism) as first giving all workers their worth of the production line according to his labor theory of value – in short this was a basic theory that the worth of a commodity was due to the added labor time and "effort" (concept of effort is complicated). In this instance a doctor would be paid more for doing harder/more intense labor which benefited society more.

However to talk about "pay" when talking about Karl Marx is not a simple concept either. He hoped that eventually he could do away with wage-labor as a whole and work in a system that works much like miniature communes in an (obviously) larger way. The way currency operates is hugely complex in that each nation’s currency is based on a whole range of external factors – labor is simply the way in which this credit is then distributed to the people. Marxist wages would involve labor being the determining factor of worth, regardless of any other external factors. Marx ultimately had anarchist views since he hoped that communism and mankind would one day evolve to the point where the necessity to have a centralized government would simply float away over time. Communism was ultimately to be based on miniaturization, collaboration and a strong socially-engineered view that collaboration with one another rather than individual gain is good.

Marx’s works were very interesting, hugely controversial and massively theoretical. The way his ideals were attempted to be put into reality were merely experiments and failed in so many fundamental ways that I find it hard to regard it as Marxism at all. I’m not here to say that Marxism works and ultimately I don’t think it does (I don’t think it’s possible to achieve social-engineering to that level of efficiency) but I find it frustrating that these demonized cold-war ideas about what Marxism is are still running rampant today. I do, however, believe that Marx’s ideas were fantastic and I think several of his concepts could be effectively implemented in society – just not all of them but that’s just my view.

Let the flames begin
@Misesean – An interesting essay and a very compelling one. I understand what he is saying about the arrangement of mutual benefit between the producer and the worker and how the two are, ultimately, alike as consumers in capitalism. However he fails to take into account that there is a blatant distinction between them.

The capitalist pays the worker a wage that he feels is apt enough for the laborer to continue working whilst himself being able to profit upon his work (as a result of his organisation and innovation) as well continuing growth in his business. Now, this in itself is no issue at all – in fact, on the surface it is obviously an arrangement of mutual benefit despite the antagonistic nature of their relationship. The laborer has unions, civil rights and the power of numbers behind him whilst the capitalist has the capital needed to turn labor into productive labor. They are counterparts within capitalism – neither can exist without the other.

As the writer rightly says -
Ignore the above, I wrote a reply but it was clearly too long
Response @ Misesean here:

A distinction between the nature of wages between the Capitalist and Laborers

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111124171026AAIkEAY

@Rikstir.. I think you need to research more into Karl Marx’s theories because your understanding of them is fundamentally flawed. You need to actually understand what he actually said rather than a westernised textbook version of what marxism is. I do agree with you to some point but for completely different reasons.

"[H]is labor theory of value" wasn’t his, but that was one of the two big mistakes Marx made.
http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_5.pdf for the other.

With summer riots, mass protests and Occupy St Paul’s, has Communism finally reached the West as Lenin predicted?

The U.K. soon be a country? I don’t think so.

What about the communists who are also anarchists? These people are not talked about as much as governmental communism.

Marx wasn’t authoritarian at all same with Kropotkin and Bakunin. People in america think that all communism is what the Soviet Union had… totally wrong.

Whig Party- Are you kidding me? You’ve never read the manifesto if you say Marx didn’t mention how a communist country should work, or you just skimmed through it.

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