Topic: Communitarianism

describe the difference between Communitarianism and conunism so that i can unnderstand it?


Communism is a political ideology that wants a classless, religionless, and stateless organization based on collective ownership.

Communitarianism enforces the idea of civil society, which refers to the totality of voluntary civic and social institutions that form the basis of a functioning society as opposed to the structures of a state.

Who decides what this "centre" ground is in politics when what would have been regarded as "loony left" in the?

80’s is now regarded as the centre where the liblabcon all are and not the extreme cultural marxism and communitarianism it is?
Alfred – I am talking of CULTURAL marxism, not ECONOMIC marxism. The new marxism is a brand of cultural marxism from the Frankfurt school and economic capitalism . Forget about marxism in economic terms

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?s=d5628429cef44646523b41d15e5caea9&t=112119

Your own question is the answer to the question: "loony left"…

…so, yeah, that definitely showcases your objectivity then, huh?

If your "liblabcon" "cultural" "Marxism" is so "loony left", how is it that it incorporates not only "economic capitalism" but "lib" and "con" as well? That doesn’t sound to you like a huge compromise and swing to the right for Marxists? That doesn’t sound to you like a conglomeration of centrism? You are describing with your own criticism of the "loony left centre", the very "centrism" for which you evidently yearn. I think it has absolutely nothing to do with the left or the center and is apparently entirely attributable to your warped and twisted ideological perspective.

what is communitarianism?


Communism for dyslexics.

Book recommendation for smart, funny 11 year old boy?

I haven’t seen my cousin in about 3 years, so don’t know exactly where his head’s at.

I’d like to get him a book or graphic novel that’s appropriate for his emotional/moral age but keeps him interested – he’s got a fairly sophisticated, dark sense of humour. I’d like to offer him something that engages him, but also has an optimistic (not deluded) picture of human behaviour…

Catcher in the Rye, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World… those are books I loved at 13, 14 – is 11 too young for these?

I haven’t read V for Vendetta or The Watchmen, but know they’re well regarded critically, and engaging. (The thing is – I’m not sure I like the slightly paranoid/anarchist worldview they seem to espouse. Can anyone think of something espousing virtue ethics, or communitarianism??)

I don’t spend much time with kids in general, so don’t know how to go about this!

(Just realised I sound like my friend’s aunt – also an ideologue – who bought him a communist board game, which no one could win…)

these are really good books and it’s a series

http://www.artemisfowl.com/thebooks.html

http://www.artemisfowl.com/aboutthebook.html

hope i could help,
Merry Christmas

Are you going to let atheists control your future and family?

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=49221

"Children are a part of every community."

Really? This is neospeak for usurping the nuclear family. Minor children are part of their own family and normally are not considered a part of the general community for their own safety. This is Communitarianism ala Hillary Clinton, and designed to ignore parental rights in regard to their own family. The State in their view owns the children as in the next quote.

"Consideration as to how the federal family can help ensure child care centers are able [sic] rebuild and restore services more quickly following a disaster."

Did you know that the FED is your family now?

My new bumper sticker:

FEMA IS NOT
AMERICAN

They need to stop putting internet access in mental wards, it’s just inappropriate.

What do you think of my theory about "natural man" and religion?

Humans are adapted to be hunter-gatherers (nomads) but live in the age of agriculture and cities. As a result we have all sorts of things "hardwired" into us through millions of years of evolution, that was once useful but is now harmful.

Religion provided a means to de-toxify humans who carry about them the "sins" (murder, rape etc) that were once useful but are now very harmful to societies.

So toxic is "natural man" that it is possible that any societies that developed without religion did not survive. Today, in the west, we do our best to substitute the law, police and education for religion – with mixed results.

The latest development is communitarians trying to provde a secular morality as well provide room for faiths to exist. [Note: communitarianism is a v. influential community-based philosophy]
The problem with my theory is that it is bound to really annoy both theists AND atheists! (I’m an agnostic myself).
"tylertxa" – Can you provide examples of societies where social mores had developed but not religion? Simple, small-scale societies can perhaps cope with “great spirit” or nature-related religions but apparently not complex societies and life in the world of the city.

Yes, I’ve always thought about the same, though I wouldn’t use the same words. A need to believe in something does seem to be ‘hard wired’ into us, a part of human nature. Perhaps this does go back to hunter-gatherer times, or maybe even earlier than that.

And yes, religion and politics have always been twisted together, always supporting one another. Perhaps the first political leaders were spiritual leaders, but today (and in Biblical times) spiritual leaders were corrupted by politics. Appeals to religion (and religious morality) have been used by politicians since time immemorial, to the point where even today some ‘religious’ ideas are really political and vice versa, and it takes some careful, detached consideration to tell them apart.

Spiritual leaders who appoint themselves as arbiters of public morality are definitely political, not spiritual. The idea that one has to subscribe to certain religious beliefs in order to be moral, to live a justified life, etc., is definitely not religious, it’s political! The idea that only one religion is ‘true’, and therefore subscribers to that religion are entitled to special rights and privileges has always been political, not spiritual or religious. This is how religion has been used, for millennia, to justify exclusion, genocide, invasion and occupation, slavery, etc.etc., even though true spiritual leaders (like Jesus, for instance) preached against it.

Gift for with-it, smart, funny 11-year-old boy?

I haven’t seen my cousin in about 3 years, so don’t know exactly where his head’s at.

I’d like to get him a book or graphic novel that’s appropriate for his emotional/moral age but keeps him interested – he’s got a fairly sophisticated, dark sense of humour. I’d like to offer him something that engages him, but also has an optimistic (not deluded) picture of human behaviour…

Catcher in the Rye, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World… those are books I loved at 13, 14 – is 11 too young for these?

I haven’t read V for Vendetta or The Watchmen, but know they’re well regarded critically, and engaging. (The thing is – I’m not sure I like the slightly paranoid/anarchist worldview they seem to espouse. Can anyone think of something espousing virtue ethics, or communitarianism??)

I don’t spend much time with kids in general, so don’t know how to go about this!

(Just realised I sound like my friend’s aunt – also an ideologue – who bought him a communist board game, which no one could win..
I think Harry Potter might be a bit ‘cheesy’ for him… I’d give him Lord of the Rings, but I’m not sure whether he’s been rendered utterly distractable by web 2.0 and the rest of our increasingly artless common life.

Catcher in the Rye and Brave New World should be fine (I confess to not having read Farenheight 451!)

The Artemis Fowl series is quite funny if he likes that sort of thing

For a more thought-provoking book, try Julian Barnes’ ‘A History of the World in 10 1/2 Chapters’; it is well-written, funny, covers a lot of topical themes and might be ideal as a Xmas gift. Book vouchers are another option (WH Smith, Waterstones, Barnes & Noble etc), or gift vouchers for somewhere online, like Amazon, so that he can choose his own book. Good luck and happy Xmas – I hope that 2008 will be a great year for you and yours.

why is clinton campaigning in mississippi?

after she basically called mississippians retards, in a statement involving iowa.
what’s the point of even campaigning? how can you want to be president, yet disrespect so many states?

CLINTON: How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi? “‘I was shocked when I learned Iowa and Mississippi have never elected a woman governor, senator or member of Congress. There has got to be something at work here,’ she said. ‘How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?’ she asked, suggesting that Iowa is too good for that. ‘That’s not the quality. That’s not the communitarianism, that’s not the openness I see in Iowa.’”

as if iowa is better than mississippi. as if all mississipians are married to their cousins and don’t "know nuthin bout no readings"

If you want to read an offense into that, we can’t stop you.
As far as I’m concerned, however, Clinton brings up a good point.

For you to infer (from her statement) some kind of slur about marrying cousins, however, says more about what’s going on in your mind than in hers.

Jesus and Politics: What would Jesus Do?

HERES SOMETHING I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT AND RESPOND TO.
I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THESE BIG POLITICAL ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
I WANT YOU TO STATE WHAT JESUS WOULD DO. NOW KEEP IN MIND, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE HE HIMSELF WOULD DO AND WHAT HE WOULD ALLOW US TO DO BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE FREE WILL ISSUE. THERE WILL BE THINGS THAT UPSET JESUS, HOWEVER, HE HAS GIVEN US FREE WILL, AND TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE WOULD NOT BE FREE WILL ANYMORE.

*PLEASE, IF YOU DONT KNOW A TERM LOOK IT UP. DONT ASSUME THAT YOU KNOW A WORD. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU RESPOND TO IT

SO LETS GET STARTED

FOR ISSUES 1 AND 2, ANSWER WILL BE EITHER COMMUNITARIAN OR INDIVIDUALISM

COMMUNITARIAN DEFINITION:
The encouragement by a society’s political culture of the formation of ethnic communities that are fairly inward looking.
www.accommodements.qc.ca/documentation/glossaire-en.html
A belief system that stresses both the logical and the moral necessity of thinking about political lie in terms of the requirements of the community, rather than in terms of the isolated and abstracted individual.
www.markville.ss.yrdsb.edu.on.ca/politics/exemplars/meg2.html
Communitarianism, as a group of related but distinct philosophies, began in the late 20th century, opposing individualism while advocating …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism
INDIVIDUALISM DEFINITION:
A social philosophy which stresses the importance of the individual above society.
www.regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm
A philosophy of life stressing the priority of individual needs over group needs, a preference for loosely knit social relationships, and a desire …
www.socialpolicy.ca/i.htm
The tendency for a person to act without reference to others, particularly in matters of style, fashion or mode of thought; A belief system that places great importance on the ability of people to act as individuals; The basic moral premise that only individuals can act, benefit and suffer. …
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/individualism

1. ECONOMIC ISSUES
2. CULTRUAL ISSUES

FOR QUESTIONS 3-5; ANSWER WILL BE ONE OR THE OTHER OR A MIX…PLEASE EXPLAIN
3. PACIFISM VS MILITARIANISM
4. FREE TRADE VS FAIR TRADE
5. PROGRESSIVISM VS CONSERVATISM

FOR QUESTIONS 6-17; ANSWER WILL BE EITHER: STRONGLY OPPOSED, OPPOSED, NO STANCE/NEUTRAL, AGREE, STRONGLY AGREE
REMEMBER, JESUS HIMSELF WILL NOT DO MOST OF THESE THINGS, HOWEVER, HE GIVES US FREE WILL, TAKING AWAY FREE WILL IS NOT AN OPTION FOR JESUS
PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR ANSWERS.

6. LEGAL ABORTION
7. SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
8. UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE
9. INCREASED TAXATION
10. DIFICIT SPENDING
11. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
12. CONTINUE IRAQ WAR
13. CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
14. DRUG LEAGALIZATION
15. GUN CONTROL
16. GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED PRAYER
17. TAXES PAY FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS
wow…thoes are some lame answers. i know there is a separation of state. but we still live in a country with politics. i would just like some honest opions of what i have listed.

Jesus would simply answer as he did before: "My kingdom does not belong to this world." in John 18:36….and he’d be right.

What would be a cool, yet less polarizing word for "communitarian"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

I am intrigued by some (not all) of the philosophies of communitarianism, but it catches a lot of heat from critics because the term seems similar to "communism".

I’ve been trying to brainstorm a more user-friendly, less polarizing word for a communitarian, and have drawn a blank. "Villagers" came to mind, as in "It takes a village..", but I think that would draw more comparisons to the Village People.

Any ideas? Great suggestions welcomed. Smart-aleck comments tolerated!

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